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Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
c'est peut être de l'adirondack européen, ou de l'européen des adirondacks ?

headsup- Messages: 922
Date d'inscription: 24/09/2008
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Ou alors le propriétaire avait demandé un adirondack et Mr Borges s'étant trompé de tas de bois lui a mis un européen .. ou le contraire... va savoir ...

Pierrot- Messages: 423
Date d'inscription: 22/03/2011
Age: 34
Localisation: Paris
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Bonjour,
J'ai à nouveau écrit à Julius, je vous tiendrai informés de sa réponse.
Rémy
J'ai à nouveau écrit à Julius, je vous tiendrai informés de sa réponse.
Rémy

molomonga- Messages: 148
Date d'inscription: 24/11/2009
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
molomonga a écrit:Benja,
Un de nous deux a certainement raison![]()
Pour ma future guitare, je souhaitais prendre l'option "master grade" pour la table en Adi mais Julius me dit que ce n'est pas nécessaire, compte tenu de la qualité exceptionnelle du standard actuel.
Mon info concernant la table de M.Wilkins vient de Julius Borges.
Je n'avais jamais été particulièrement tenté par l'option luthier jusqu'au jour où j'ai entendu une OM de Julius Borges.... L'idée s'immisce sournoisement dans ma tête, il va falloir être fort

stringman- Messages: 354
Date d'inscription: 10/11/2010
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Salut,
Je viens d'avoir la réponse de Julius; c'est une erreur de sa part (confondu avec une autre GG)...
Il s'agit d'une table en Carpathian spruce pour l'OM de M.Wilkins.
Rémy
Je viens d'avoir la réponse de Julius; c'est une erreur de sa part (confondu avec une autre GG)...
Il s'agit d'une table en Carpathian spruce pour l'OM de M.Wilkins.
Rémy

molomonga- Messages: 148
Date d'inscription: 24/11/2009
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Très intéressant comme réponse
La carpathian a récemment fait son apparition chez Martin !
La carpathian a récemment fait son apparition chez Martin !

schon50- Messages: 183
Date d'inscription: 24/09/2008
Age: 32
Localisation: france
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Quelqu'un pourrait-il nous parler de ce bois?
Benja
Benja
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Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Extrait du site de Luthier Mercantile, Inc.
European Spruce and Carpathian Spruce
Picea excelsa, P. abies
German Spruce
German Spruce is a common term for Spruce coming from Europe, but it is not really accurate. Guitar grade Spruce has not come out of Germany for many years now. The best material comes from the former Yugoslavia region. When you order German Spruce from LMI, you can expect the excellent, slightly golden-colored tonewood that, for years now, has been the staple of the bowed instrument world, and a favorite among high-end steel string and classical guitar builders. We carry the finest European Spruce available.
Note our ”special” German tops. The thickness sander went on the rampage one day recently and you can benefit from it, if you can work with a little thinner material than we normally offer.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
We carry two other Spruces from Europe which have subtle differences from the German/European Spruce, they are:
Alpine/Italian Spruce
Alpine/Italian Spruce is the exact same species of wood as our German Spruce, but it comes from a different region and so has slightly different attributes. It is just a bit warmer in color and the winter grain, when visible, is a bit pinker. Tonally, it is said be more focused with a slightly stronger fundamental than regular German Spruce. For this reason it has a loyal group of devotees. We typically have a good number of higher grade tops with very tight grain and even color.
Alpine/Italian Spruce is similar to what is known as Italian Spruce, which is found in a lower elevation of the Alps. We do not carry this wood as the supply and quality is erratic.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
Carpathian/Ukrainian Spruce
Carpathian/Ukrainian Spruce is from the Caucasus and Carpathian mountains that surround the Black sea. This wood has a very creamy, white appearance but with slightly wider grain than the other European Spruces. We were the first supplier to offer this wood in the United States and it is now in use by several well known steel string guitar builders. These tops are quite stiff and offer a slightly brighter, glassier tap tone than the other European Spruces. Many have compared it to Adirondack Spruce and some even call it ‘Carpathian Red Spruce’.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
Famed Canadian luthier Marc Beneteau reports:
”I knew when I bought the Carpathian that it had good potential. Nice stiffness, not too heavy and an excellent tap tone. This was confirmed on the finished guitar with wonderful resonance yet sensitivity to a light touch. An excellent topwood choice! I will definitely be using it again in the future.”
European Spruce and Carpathian Spruce
Picea excelsa, P. abies
German Spruce
German Spruce is a common term for Spruce coming from Europe, but it is not really accurate. Guitar grade Spruce has not come out of Germany for many years now. The best material comes from the former Yugoslavia region. When you order German Spruce from LMI, you can expect the excellent, slightly golden-colored tonewood that, for years now, has been the staple of the bowed instrument world, and a favorite among high-end steel string and classical guitar builders. We carry the finest European Spruce available.
Note our ”special” German tops. The thickness sander went on the rampage one day recently and you can benefit from it, if you can work with a little thinner material than we normally offer.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
We carry two other Spruces from Europe which have subtle differences from the German/European Spruce, they are:
Alpine/Italian Spruce
Alpine/Italian Spruce is the exact same species of wood as our German Spruce, but it comes from a different region and so has slightly different attributes. It is just a bit warmer in color and the winter grain, when visible, is a bit pinker. Tonally, it is said be more focused with a slightly stronger fundamental than regular German Spruce. For this reason it has a loyal group of devotees. We typically have a good number of higher grade tops with very tight grain and even color.
Alpine/Italian Spruce is similar to what is known as Italian Spruce, which is found in a lower elevation of the Alps. We do not carry this wood as the supply and quality is erratic.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
Carpathian/Ukrainian Spruce
Carpathian/Ukrainian Spruce is from the Caucasus and Carpathian mountains that surround the Black sea. This wood has a very creamy, white appearance but with slightly wider grain than the other European Spruces. We were the first supplier to offer this wood in the United States and it is now in use by several well known steel string guitar builders. These tops are quite stiff and offer a slightly brighter, glassier tap tone than the other European Spruces. Many have compared it to Adirondack Spruce and some even call it ‘Carpathian Red Spruce’.
Please note: It is not uncommon to find some small, isolated bits of bearclaw figure in all grades except Master grade. If it is essential that your soundboard be free of this, please let us know when you place your order.
Famed Canadian luthier Marc Beneteau reports:
”I knew when I bought the Carpathian that it had good potential. Nice stiffness, not too heavy and an excellent tap tone. This was confirmed on the finished guitar with wonderful resonance yet sensitivity to a light touch. An excellent topwood choice! I will definitely be using it again in the future.”

Coriolan92- Messages: 1530
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Age: 61
Localisation: 92 et 35
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Salut,
Merci Coriolan pour l'article; ça va dans le sens des explications de J.Borges: le Carpathian est très proche de l'Adirondack (avec un peu plus de subtilité pour un jeu aux doigts).
Voici la réponse de M.Wilkins concernant la prise de son de l'OM "GG" :
I use a Peluso 2247 tube mic through an RME Fireface 800 into Cubase. No processing / no EQ / no compression / absolutely nothing except about 3% wet reverb. Y'know, I like for my guitars to sound like they sound!
Rémy
Merci Coriolan pour l'article; ça va dans le sens des explications de J.Borges: le Carpathian est très proche de l'Adirondack (avec un peu plus de subtilité pour un jeu aux doigts).
Voici la réponse de M.Wilkins concernant la prise de son de l'OM "GG" :
I use a Peluso 2247 tube mic through an RME Fireface 800 into Cubase. No processing / no EQ / no compression / absolutely nothing except about 3% wet reverb. Y'know, I like for my guitars to sound like they sound!
Rémy

molomonga- Messages: 148
Date d'inscription: 24/11/2009
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Rémy,
Je me réjouis d'avance pour toi, et je suis certain que ton plaisir sera communicatif.
Amitié. Nano
Je me réjouis d'avance pour toi, et je suis certain que ton plaisir sera communicatif.
Amitié. Nano
nano- Messages: 728
Date d'inscription: 25/03/2010
Age: 56
Localisation: Saint Julien Les Metz
Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Rémy,
Sais-tu quand tu auras ta guitare?
Benja
Sais-tu quand tu auras ta guitare?
Benja
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Re: Borges OM 18 golden grain
Benja,
Il devrait la commencer début Septembre et je devrais la recevoir courant Mars...
Position du Lotus: OMmmmmmmm !!
Rémy
Il devrait la commencer début Septembre et je devrais la recevoir courant Mars...
Position du Lotus: OMmmmmmmm !!
Rémy

molomonga- Messages: 148
Date d'inscription: 24/11/2009
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